ah, the getting back of student evaluations. for me, a time always marked by 24 hours of wildly careening between defensiveness, self congratulation, and considering all the many ways in which student evaluations in general are a terrible practice.* this time, aside from the usual scattered students who complained about the workload because they have other classes to worry about (!), the ones that seem confused about the instructions filling out the form, the ones who think i'm impersonal and unreasonable, and the ones who want me to be their personal life coach for the rest of their life, i had two separate comments saying i was too harsh on one particular student that term, and for reasons too detailed to rehearse here, i am quite certain the comments were not written by that student. let's call that student chris, shall we?
early in the term chris announced that although hitler (as in adolf) had done a lot wrong, he (hitler) had actually had some pretty good ideas. i am near-apoplectic thinking about this even now. has chris ever taken a history class? is chris a sociopath? has chris had any interactions with humans before this moment? does chris think such comments are funny to say to near-strangers? i do not know any of these things, but at the time i thought that it would not do chris or anyone else in the class any favors to ignore such comments, even at the expense of my being "liked." so i told chris that while i personally didn't care what chris secretly thinks, chris should know that in the future, when chris says stuff like that, no one will take chris seriously and that chris might be unwittingly portraying chrisself as at best uneducated and asocial and at worst violently racist. so i guess if reminding students that the nazi regime was real and evil and that it is, to say the least, problematic to suggest otherwise in public while supposedly pursuing humanist values, is overly harsh, then i stand behind it. and i challenge you to argue that the other students telling me i was too harsh is appropriate, helpful, or a measure of my pedagogy.
more broadly, i honestly cannot understand what students' relationship to college is, these days and in general. with many many exceptions, i notice some patterns emerging that may be nothing more than the result of me getting older and noticing differently, or may be a gauge of Kids These Days. such patterns include: being surprised at consequences of actions; thinking everything should be entertaining and fun, even things you have to do; being suspicious about getting brainwashed into, say, thinking it's a good idea to protect the environment, even as they swallow the hook, line and sinker of some other affirming ideology and even as they gladly fork over $40k for tuition; extreme self-centeredness that manifests in utter and complete lack of empathy for others (see chris story above, although i guess his classmates anonymously sticking up for their poor little neo-nazi friend is a nice counterpoint) and in thinking the rules are fine for everyone else, but don't apply to me. these are the things i wring my hands about when student evaluations come around. thus my hands, they are wrung.
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*to wit: given their position and the timing, students at the end of a term can hardly be said to be the best judges of what/how they've learned, and anyway, they pretty much judge that according to what grade they're getting; the only score administrators care about is the personality-contest "rate quality of the instructor" one, and it's hard to think of that as a measure of effective pedagogy; everyone disavows the process, but in the course of that disavowal, if they get good scores they seem condescending and if they get bad scores they seem resentful; except in extreme outlying cases, these scores really don't bear on tenure and promotion, but nevertheless they can be really demoralizing or buoying for at least 48 hours; everyone talks about how they don't matter but feels deep inside like they do; and lastly, i, and i don't think i'm alone in this, have never, ever ever received feedback--positive or negative--that was useful. i mean, what am i supposed to do with "more explanation"?? i can only ever hope for opposite extremes in evaluations to know i'm doing something right.
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i don't hate myself enough to read student evaluations any more. so first, i bow to your greater ... ??? ... concern for what ... attempts to impro ... change ... ???? ... oy.
i'm sorry. i just can't engage, even for the occasional positive nod. but i stand by your right to tell Chris that Hitler was a Bad Man. holy sh*t.
i once had a 23 year old female student confide to me in my office that our discussion of something Bruno Betelheim had written about Anne Frank and her family (that maybe they should have been less about "family" and more about survival by splitting up, as many did), ... well, she confided in me that she was lost (while many students were simply outraged that Anne Frank was being considered anything less than heroic), because she HAD NEVER HEARD OF THE HOLOCAUST.
so what is going on that students a.) don't know about the holocaust and b.) think Hitler was all-righty?
Withouth doubt, my favorite part of the whole evaluation process -- a part that I have often remarked to students, tho never while they were actually doing evaluations -- is when the eval asks the students to comment on how well the professor understands the material.
(I've taught at 4 schools, and they all asked some version of it.)
Now, I certainly had some bad teachers in my day. But I can't ever remember thinking that they were bad because I had a better understanding of their field. The very existence of this question seems to contribute to the student disposition you're describing. And for me, alas, when I think about it, my hands feel more washed than wrung.
mike read this post (he teaches comp too) and my reply and said that the ellipses passage is confusing. so now i'm all paranoid that my attempts to be clever (like E) have met with failure. to be clear, i was trying to approximate the various ways we talk about why reading student evaluations is valuable, but by cutting off the sentences before finishing, i wanted to suggest that i just can't get with the practice any longer.
no offense to anyone, i hope ;)
I am stunned by Bonnie's story about the 23 year old who college student never heard of the Holocaust. How to process this. But it reminds all of us that knowledge or awareness of facts is never truly universal.
blk: no problemo a-tall, i actually totally understood exactly that from the ellipses.
m.m: OMG, totes.
blk and ADR: well, i do find it pretty easy to believe students haven't heard of the holocaust (i've heard of that), and i think that's a commentary on something different, namely, the *extreme* underresourced school systems around the country. that's disturbing in its own way, but for now at least i remain more disturbed by someone thinking it's ok to defend that stuff in public.
here's another stunner: just watched the doc on Maya Lin. in it she revealed that when Morris Dees commissioned her to do the Montgomery, Alabama Civil Rights Memorial, she didn't know that much about it; it was not discussed in school.
so yeah, E, we have systemic problems in our schools if students (then and now) are not learning about the Civil Rights Movement and the Holocaust.
i need drinks.
just because students are learning things differently than you did in your youth, doesn't mean it is wrong. all these comments, and the original posts, are so stuck up.
of COURSE a university is going to ask students how well their professors understand the material they teach. who is better to judge this than the students who sit and listen to their lectures almost every day? or would you rather take entrance/placement examinations upon the onset of your employment to gauge your effectiveness?
and shame on you, for discouraging chris' behavior. do you want students - the upcoming middle class - to see things only one sided? YES, hitler was a very very bad man but there is nothing wrong with exploring the other things about him as a man or the ideas behind the very bad things he did. maybe his problem was that he went about executing (pardon the pun) these ideas the wrong way.
it's pretty sickening that you'd say and think things like this, instead of valuing your students opinions as the bright and brilliant population that they are. after all, it is their ideas and thoughts that will affect your medicare when you are old and farty. what will you say about the youth then?
anon: you should know i usually have the policy of deleting comments whose authors are not confident enough of their opinions to use their names, and who are more ranting on the topic than reading of the text. but for now:
1. we DO take placement/entrance exams before getting a job. it's called graduate school.
2. unlike many other stances/issues with which i disagree and with which there are many sides to take, the issue of being sympathetic to hitler is not one that belongs in a classroom. rather, it belongs amongst paranoid people who all already agree with each other and who, by virtue of experience or personality, lack the knowledge, skills or interest to participate in the kind of public civil discourse (which includes disagreement) that a classroom ideally houses. similarly, e.g., it fits some situations to yell, "I'M SO WASTED!!" but not a classroom.
3. there's not anything here that suggests that i (or any of the commenters) don't value student opinions, when they are well-thought out and reasoned and appropriate for a classroom. wait, a second, are you a student??!! if so, believe me when i (think i speak for many teachers when i) encourage you *very strongly* to think for yourself, BUT note that thinking for yourself is a disciplined endeavor in which you do your homework and make arguments appropriate to different situations, not just take the knee-jerk reverse of whatever's in front of your face.
think twice before you post next time.
Anon - in the interest of discourse please identify no more than 3 worthwhile "ideas behind the very bad things he did."
Time to join the fray with reasoned argumentation and not whining.
It's hard to make a reasoned argument when you make holocaust puns (and think their clever).
Dipshit.
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